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	<title>Comments on: Magknits is Gone: Tempers, Tongues &#38; Sweaters</title>
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		<title>By: Knit The Hell Up &#187; Summer Rerun</title>
		<link>http://thelumpysweater.wordpress.com/2008/04/08/magknits-is-dead-tempers-tongues-ravelry/#comment-626</link>
		<dc:creator>Knit The Hell Up &#187; Summer Rerun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] heard that the online knitting magazine formerly residing at magknits.com recently disappeared in a cloud of controversy. All of the  not-lazy creators immediately posted their designs as free Ravelry [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rev Deb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rev Deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the summary.  I heard about the demise of MagKnits at my knitting group and haven't really been following it.

But we had a discussion about the ethics of all this online community and business stuff.  Some people thought you should be able to say whatever you like no matter how it effects someone, others thought you should use care.

End result, I think, is that the whole social media sphere is moving at such a rapid pace that we need to think carefully about how we use it on all sides.

Business owners and blog writers with huge readership need to use special care in how they treat customers and readers.  One of the things about the whole fiber arts community is that we ARE community, like it or not, and we need to be sensitive to how our actions, quick comments, or deep analysis effect others.  

Social media is about public relations and community.  I hope we'll all think carefully about our comments.  Remember how you had to learn about not shooting off reactive e-mails too quickly.  My personal mantra is "Respond not React."

You're doing a great job with your blog.  Keep at it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the summary.  I heard about the demise of MagKnits at my knitting group and haven&#8217;t really been following it.</p>
<p>But we had a discussion about the ethics of all this online community and business stuff.  Some people thought you should be able to say whatever you like no matter how it effects someone, others thought you should use care.</p>
<p>End result, I think, is that the whole social media sphere is moving at such a rapid pace that we need to think carefully about how we use it on all sides.</p>
<p>Business owners and blog writers with huge readership need to use special care in how they treat customers and readers.  One of the things about the whole fiber arts community is that we ARE community, like it or not, and we need to be sensitive to how our actions, quick comments, or deep analysis effect others.  </p>
<p>Social media is about public relations and community.  I hope we&#8217;ll all think carefully about our comments.  Remember how you had to learn about not shooting off reactive e-mails too quickly.  My personal mantra is &#8220;Respond not React.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re doing a great job with your blog.  Keep at it.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm so surprised to read all of this. I was never a big Magknits follower, but I did use a few of their patterns in the past and used to read Kerrie's blog a couple years back. Thank you for filling us in. Does anyone know how copyright worked with Magknits? Are the patterns that were published there free to be published elsewhere now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so surprised to read all of this. I was never a big Magknits follower, but I did use a few of their patterns in the past and used to read Kerrie&#8217;s blog a couple years back. Thank you for filling us in. Does anyone know how copyright worked with Magknits? Are the patterns that were published there free to be published elsewhere now?</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 19:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. Quite a sad flameout for Magknits. Sounds like a bad situation for everybody involved. Thanks for summarizing what happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Quite a sad flameout for Magknits. Sounds like a bad situation for everybody involved. Thanks for summarizing what happened.</p>
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		<title>By: Tangelled Angel &#187; Blog Archive &#187; AArgh- 6 weeks folks!!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tangelled Angel &#187; Blog Archive &#187; AArgh- 6 weeks folks!!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 16:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] nothing if a little late in mentioning this, its been off for a while now. See a very good post here about it) I&#8217;m just hoping that I saved a copy of Jaywalkers [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] nothing if a little late in mentioning this, its been off for a while now. See a very good post here about it) I&#8217;m just hoping that I saved a copy of Jaywalkers [...]</p>
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		<title>By: laceyknitter</title>
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		<dc:creator>laceyknitter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, your summary was good, mainly I agree that the first couple of posts on Ravelry about the Hipknits situation and then the Magknits non payment to designers, opened a floodgate of people who had received very BAD service from Hipknits but who had assumed it was only them.  This has proved to be the opposite and as somebody else said, this is just the tip of the iceberg.

Whilst Magknits was a free service, income was generated by advertising in the same way as places like Google are.  Kerrie had very little to do, the designers did the hard work, and it was a good advertising tool for Hipknits and Yarnforward. Taking it down in the manner in which she did it proves how unprofessional Kerrie is.

Personally, I would not be at all surprised to see those businesses follow Magknits into oblivion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, your summary was good, mainly I agree that the first couple of posts on Ravelry about the Hipknits situation and then the Magknits non payment to designers, opened a floodgate of people who had received very BAD service from Hipknits but who had assumed it was only them.  This has proved to be the opposite and as somebody else said, this is just the tip of the iceberg.</p>
<p>Whilst Magknits was a free service, income was generated by advertising in the same way as places like Google are.  Kerrie had very little to do, the designers did the hard work, and it was a good advertising tool for Hipknits and Yarnforward. Taking it down in the manner in which she did it proves how unprofessional Kerrie is.</p>
<p>Personally, I would not be at all surprised to see those businesses follow Magknits into oblivion.</p>
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		<title>By: fairgirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>fairgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks so much for the summary!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so much for the summary!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Daniels</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Daniels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, this is the first I'd heard of the whole thing. BUT, your pattern may still be in the Archives here: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://magknits.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, this is the first I&#8217;d heard of the whole thing. BUT, your pattern may still be in the Archives here: <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/" rel="nofollow">http://web.archive.org/web/</a>*/http://magknits.com</p>
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		<title>By: Stef</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 02:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to send along my gratitude for this summary-- what a lot to catch up on!  (I designed for Magknits, was never paid, and didn't hear about this drama until a few people emailed me asking for a copy of my pattern.)  Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to send along my gratitude for this summary&#8211; what a lot to catch up on!  (I designed for Magknits, was never paid, and didn&#8217;t hear about this drama until a few people emailed me asking for a copy of my pattern.)  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Pen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE:  Too Much?

A business is not required to underwrite your enjoyment merely because you feel entitled to access.  If you are generating content for the site's profit, I feel very differently.    I am a big believer in "free" online in those cases.   However, Magknits is an online magazine.   Website users only supply ad hits in this case, and may not generate the income needed to even cover the cost of bandwidth.  Ending your access isn't emotional or immature, in this case it appears to be very astute business decision. 

Commercial sites that use a great deal of bandwidth do not run like a hobby site.  (Others in the various threads on ravelry have explained this better.)  They may pay per hit, or pay overages, and a run on the site may cost them thousands of dollars.  It's not something that is free for the owner.  Given the nature and consequence of the threads I'm not sure why she should underwrite anyone's access. The online world spoke:  she runs her site poorly.  If people believe that, then they got what most people want when something is so poorly run: something to change.  (And the thing with change is, you may not always like the change you get.)  Certainly, she's in a much better financial position to pay outstanding bills if she's not trying to cover the cost of a final run on Magknits.

I disagree that ravelry plays no part.  For all the complaints that have a basis in truly poor business acumen, ravelry ultimately provided a platform that allowed it to be deeply and irreparably damaged to a much wider audience.  Her business is going to have a very bad time recovering from this, if it ever does.  I personally know I wouldn't purchase from her, and many more people who will only read you posts and others, will simply know that there's something wrong with this company, and will be less likely to purchase.  Even if she does managed to fix her problems, it may be too little, far too late.  

Ravelry's role in this concerns me a great deal.  Knitting/Crochet are considered niche markets.  Niche markets are small by definition.  They are filled with 1 and 2 person operations that can be easily overwhelmed by the attention of a site like ravelry.  If ravelry users now use the site to publicly shame everyone who has a problem with orders, good small business may be prematurely closed.  No one wins in that scenario except larger companies that can afford to ride out bad press, or pay PR people to help them change their image.  Would you like a yarn world without your favorite small label?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE:  Too Much?</p>
<p>A business is not required to underwrite your enjoyment merely because you feel entitled to access.  If you are generating content for the site&#8217;s profit, I feel very differently.    I am a big believer in &#8220;free&#8221; online in those cases.   However, Magknits is an online magazine.   Website users only supply ad hits in this case, and may not generate the income needed to even cover the cost of bandwidth.  Ending your access isn&#8217;t emotional or immature, in this case it appears to be very astute business decision. </p>
<p>Commercial sites that use a great deal of bandwidth do not run like a hobby site.  (Others in the various threads on ravelry have explained this better.)  They may pay per hit, or pay overages, and a run on the site may cost them thousands of dollars.  It&#8217;s not something that is free for the owner.  Given the nature and consequence of the threads I&#8217;m not sure why she should underwrite anyone&#8217;s access. The online world spoke:  she runs her site poorly.  If people believe that, then they got what most people want when something is so poorly run: something to change.  (And the thing with change is, you may not always like the change you get.)  Certainly, she&#8217;s in a much better financial position to pay outstanding bills if she&#8217;s not trying to cover the cost of a final run on Magknits.</p>
<p>I disagree that ravelry plays no part.  For all the complaints that have a basis in truly poor business acumen, ravelry ultimately provided a platform that allowed it to be deeply and irreparably damaged to a much wider audience.  Her business is going to have a very bad time recovering from this, if it ever does.  I personally know I wouldn&#8217;t purchase from her, and many more people who will only read you posts and others, will simply know that there&#8217;s something wrong with this company, and will be less likely to purchase.  Even if she does managed to fix her problems, it may be too little, far too late.  </p>
<p>Ravelry&#8217;s role in this concerns me a great deal.  Knitting/Crochet are considered niche markets.  Niche markets are small by definition.  They are filled with 1 and 2 person operations that can be easily overwhelmed by the attention of a site like ravelry.  If ravelry users now use the site to publicly shame everyone who has a problem with orders, good small business may be prematurely closed.  No one wins in that scenario except larger companies that can afford to ride out bad press, or pay PR people to help them change their image.  Would you like a yarn world without your favorite small label?</p>
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